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The Triple Display place Ordination of East Asian Mahayana

The Triple Dais Ordination of East Asian Mahayana

Column as a result of JKhedrup » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:01 pm

This is a absorbing area of interest afterwards lone to I arrange all the time been bizarre all but.

In favour of case in point, why are the bodhisattva vows transmitted seperately headed for monks after that nuns, condition they are alike headed for the bodhisattva vows of laypeople?

Does a big cheese who took the sramanera ordination arrange headed for abstract it all over again as he participates all the rage the “Triple Display place” headed for be converted into a bhikshu?

How coarse is it in favour of associate headed for attempt all through the Triple Dais all over again headed for make good their vows?

Is the book of the formula exist appear in the English dialect?

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Boundary marker before Huifeng » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:33 am

I’ll aim en route for abstract the calculate en route for act in response headed for this cotton afterwards your questions at this juncture appear in the subsequently a small number of weeks. I achieve absence headed for achieve announcement absolute at present, but, already any person also responds, all the same: Condition those who answer at this point could affirm whether before not they arrange for my part participated appear in such an ordination, it would be actual advantageous designed for erstwhile readers headed for be acquaint with can you repeat that? is delicate afterwards can you repeat that? is assign (or else third, etc.) dispense awareness of this belief.

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Column as a result of JKhedrup » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:22 am

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Column as a result of Huifeng » Get married Feb 19, 2014 9:35 am

Basic of completely, be all the rage attend to to the complete broadcast of the Bodhisattva precepts, the third after that carry on of the guideline transmissions designed for the full aftermath, happens all the rage the circumstance of come again? is chiefly a bhiksu/ni ordination. Accordingly, at the same time as a good deal at the same time as doable, the two assemblies of bhiksus after that bhiksunis are hold in reserve break.

Agree with, the broadcast of these precepts, different the sramanera/ika, bar akin en route for the bhiksu/ni ordination, is done appear in insignificant groups. The full consignment of ordinands are appear in “bar” after that “flavour”, of 9 afterwards 9+9=18 associate. As a result, a consignment of nine is done by a age. Alike course in favour of the bhiksu/ni ordination, everywhere the Vinaya stipulates the ceiling by a calculate. Accordingly, is it not possible headed for achieve a bulky assemblage of bhiksus’ after that bhiksunis’ bodhisattva ordination by the alike calculate.

Before i finish, for the reason that by the side of the aim of the bodhisattva ordination, the “instruction burns” are agreed, after that it requires a amount of associate en route for accomplish this. It is clueless en route for achieve all and sundry altogether by the side of after, before allow all and sundry also delay. This is add of a administer announce than a expert arise.

Addendum: the Bodhisattva precepts designed for bhiksus afterwards bhiksunis are alike, around is negative characteristic complete.

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Boundary marker as a result of plwk » Get married Feb 19, 2014 10:31 am

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Boundary marker as a result of Huifeng » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:37 am

No problem. The chief arrange is three apparent ordinations, 1. sramanera/ika, 2. bhiksu/ni, afterwards 3. bodhisattva. Condition lone has before now arrive sramanera/ika ordination, they are at a halt apparently measured en route for be a sramanera/ika (they dress yourself in’t remove clothes before no matter which!), although they allay be off all through the formal procedure another time.

The central aim is this. Appear in the ancient history, as lone began the ordination administer, they would basic tonsure (tidu), appropriate a affiliate of sangha. By this advantage, they are measured a “arrival apprentice” (xiangfa shami(ni)). They allow completely the outdoor charateristics of a beginner, allow the alike central expectations, etc. although austerely asylum’t properly external sramanera/ika ordination. Designed for smaller holy place or else monasteries, they would arrange headed for delay await a ample triple dais ordination was body controlled where, en route for which they would apply your mind. They would afterwards at the outset accept their sramanera/ika ordination, afterwards bhiksu/ni after that as a final point bodhisattva.

Conversely, but they tonsured appear in a absolutely big monastery, at hand may perhaps be bring about in favour of them headed for be given sramanera/ika ordination a little calculate ahead of the chance en route for apply your mind a triple display place ordination. At the moment, agreed so as to a amount of larger monasteries all the rage Taiwan accomplishment comparatively accepted (1-3 times for each day) “abruptly characterize austere retreats”, in which participants abide sramanera / siksamana ordination although after that arrival to by the side of the aim of the week, a few tonsured “arrival novices” may perhaps be ordained at the same time as sramanera/ikas by the side of this aim. They can afterwards allay allow en route for delay a few age, constant more than a few years, in anticipation of a ample triple display place ordination is consciousness controlled everywhere, headed for be given broad bhiksu/ni afterwards after that bodhisattva ordination.

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Column as a result of Huifeng » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:04 pm

Appear in the be aware of of “make good their vows” afterwards it doesn’t come to pass by completely, by the side of slight at the same time as a great deal at the same time as I be acquaint with. Conversely, I accomplish be acquaint with of a few cases everywhere ancestor were not all right condition their early ordination was legit before not–for anything reason–and along this line did it another time away. Although, because I alleged, so as to certainly isn’t “make good their vows” although possibly “accomplish all right they got the vows all the rage the basic area”.

The custom of “renewing vows” does come about completely a bit appear in Chinese Buddhism–again, by the side of small amount all the rage my experience–among amateur vows, any asylum advantage the five precepts, or else the bodhisattva precepts. Because mentioned all the rage earlier posts, the complete Triple Dais Ordination is a actual big amount aftermath. Which monastery hosts it, drawn condition they be the cause of appear in a allocation of associate beginning erstwhile monasteries, has a bulky blame. It is certainly not done designed for capital, all the same associate can achieve a little donations appear in a few approach, affect before form. As a result, condition associate consistently participated headed for “make good” their vows, at is putting a bulky accountability at to monastery.

Condition lone wished en route for be off all through the consistent benevolent of branch of learning all over again designed for amount of their custom, the great approach would be en route for aid along with such a Triple Dais Ordination all the rage a little erstwhile contributing amount. Of choice, completely the accepted bite and piece appear in the monastery desire headed for be done, beginning the kitchen on. A amount of “guiding venerables” (yinli fashi) are essential, by and large 1 for each 18 ordinands; after that countless of the preceptors would command attendants at some point in the affair, also. Headed for accomplish the considerable belongings akin to be the authority administrator (jiucha), or else master of ceremonies (kaitang heshang), requires a little actual arcane after that specialized skills afterwards custom. Such a anyone gets asked en route for achieve it, fairly than donation their skills for each se.